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        <created>2025-02-04T03:51:17+00:00</created>
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&lt;h1 class=&quot;sectionedit1&quot; id=&quot;antenna_isolation&quot;&gt;Antenna Isolation&lt;/h1&gt;
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Suppose you want to mount two (vertically polarized) antennas for two different radios that will use similar frequencies.  How far apart should you mount them so that the radios don&amp;#039;t interfere with each other?
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The radiation pattern of a dipole looks like a doughnut, so it makes sense that for a vertically polarized antenna, the “quietest” spots would be right above and below.
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The isolation formula for vertical separation is&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#fn__1&quot; id=&quot;fnt__1&quot; class=&quot;fn_top&quot;&gt;1)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#fn__2&quot; id=&quot;fnt__2&quot; class=&quot;fn_top&quot;&gt;2)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;:
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&lt;p&gt;
\$$ \text{Isolation} =28 + 40 \cdot \log \left(\frac{d}{\lambda}\right) \$$
where:
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 λ is the wavelength of the radio frequency used
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 d is the vertical separation between the two feed points of the antennas (in the same units as λ)
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 the resulting Isolation is in dB
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&lt;p&gt;
Here&amp;#039;s a table and a graph of computed values for separation values \$\frac{d}{\lambda}\$ between 1 and 20 (that is, when the antennas are between 1 wavelength and 20 wavelengths away from each other):
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row0&quot;&gt;
		&lt;th class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;Separation&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;Isolation (dB)&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;Separation&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;Isolation (dB)&lt;/th&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;1&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;28&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;11&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;70&lt;/td&gt;
	&lt;/tr&gt;
	&lt;tr class=&quot;row2&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;40&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;12&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;71&lt;/td&gt;
	&lt;/tr&gt;
	&lt;tr class=&quot;row3&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;47&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;13&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;73&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row4&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;52&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;14&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;74&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row5&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;56&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;15&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;75&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row6&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;59&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;16&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;76&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row7&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;62&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;17&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;77&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row8&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;8&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;64&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;18&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;78&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row9&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;66&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;19&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;79&lt;/td&gt;
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	&lt;tr class=&quot;row10&quot;&gt;
		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt;68&lt;/td&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col2&quot;&gt; &lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col3&quot;&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col4&quot;&gt;80&lt;/td&gt;
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So for example, if two antennas used around 147 &lt;abbr title=&quot;Megahertz&quot;&gt;MHz&lt;/abbr&gt; are 3 m apart (feedpoint to feedpoint), the isolation will be about:
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 \$ \lambda = \frac{300}{147} = 2.04 \text{ m} \$
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 \$ \text{Isolation} = 28 + 40 \log(\frac{3 \text{ m}}{2.04 \text{ m}}) \approx 35 \text{ dB} \$
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And if we wanted 70 dB of isolation, from the table, we see that we&amp;#039;d need the two antennas separated by 11 wavelengths, which at 147 &lt;abbr title=&quot;Megahertz&quot;&gt;MHz&lt;/abbr&gt; would be: \$11 \times \frac{300}{147} \approx 22 \text{ m}\$.
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&lt;p&gt;
The first thing to note is that there&amp;#039;s a sort of “diminishing returns” thing going on: the greater the separation, the greater the isolation.  But each additional meter of separation doesn&amp;#039;t give the same isolation.  But there&amp;#039;s a neat trick to it.  Here are a few specially chosen numbers from the table again. See if you can spot a pattern:
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		&lt;th class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; Separation &lt;/th&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; Isolation (dB) &lt;/th&gt;
	&lt;/tr&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; 1 &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; 28 &lt;/td&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; 2 &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; 40 &lt;/td&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; 4 &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; 52 &lt;/td&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; 8 &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; 64 &lt;/td&gt;
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		&lt;td class=&quot;col0&quot;&gt; 16 &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;col1&quot;&gt; 76 &lt;/td&gt;
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The way to think of it is that a separation of 1 wavelength gives an isolation of 28 dB.  But then, every doubling of the separation adds another 12 dB of isolation.  Going from 1 to 2 adds 12 dB, but to get an additional 12 dB, you need to go from 2 to 4, and then from 4 to 8, etc.
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&lt;p&gt;
For the math geeks, here&amp;#039;s how to get the 12 dB to come out of the isolation formula:
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&lt;p&gt;
Logarithms can be expressed in any base that we find convenient.  The original formula is in base 10, but we could convert it to base 2 :
\$$ 40 \log_{10}(x) = 40 \frac{\log_2(x)}{\log_2(10)} = \frac{40}{\log_2(10)} \cdot \log_2(x) = 40\log_{10}(2) \cdot \log_2(x) \approx 12 \log_2(x)\$$
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So these two formulas are really the same:
\$$ \text{Isolation} =28 + 40 \cdot \log \left(\frac{d}{\lambda}\right) \qquad \text{or} \qquad  \text{Isolation} = 28 + 12 \cdot \log_2 \left(\frac{d}{\lambda}\right) \$$
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They both say: when the separation is one wavelength, the isolation will be 28 dB.
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 But then the first one says: every time you multiply that separation by 10 (1, 10, 100, 1000, etc), you&amp;#039;ll add 40 dB of isolation.
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&lt;li class=&quot;level1&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;li&quot;&gt;
 And the second one says: every time you multiply that separation by 2 (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc), you&amp;#039;ll add 12 dB of isolation.
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Finally, if we look at the graph above but stretch the horizontal axis so that the separation between 1 and 2 is the same as that between 2 and 4, and between 4 and 8, etc, we get a &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-log_plot&quot; class=&quot;urlextern&quot; title=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-log_plot&quot; rel=&quot;ugc nofollow&quot;&gt;semi-log plot&lt;/a&gt; like this:
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&lt;div class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#fnt__1&quot; id=&quot;fn__1&quot; class=&quot;fn_bot&quot;&gt;1)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 
&lt;div class=&quot;content&quot;&gt;See: &lt;a href=&quot;https://calc.commscope.com/qvisolation.aspx&quot; class=&quot;urlextern&quot; title=&quot;https://calc.commscope.com/qvisolation.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;ugc nofollow&quot;&gt;https://calc.commscope.com/qvisolation.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;content&quot;&gt;and: &lt;a href=&quot;https://ijarcce.com/upload/2013/july/66-o-gechug2002-antenna%20isolation%20technique%20for%20interference.pdf&quot; class=&quot;urlextern&quot; title=&quot;https://ijarcce.com/upload/2013/july/66-o-gechug2002-antenna%20isolation%20technique%20for%20interference.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;ugc nofollow&quot;&gt;https://ijarcce.com/upload/2013/july/66-o-gechug2002-antenna%20isolation%20technique%20for%20interference.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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